tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363936253583148153.post8519315497079852762..comments2024-01-18T02:39:05.118-08:00Comments on Law School Truth Center: Double Speedball of Optimism: ABA and Indiana TechLaw School Truth Centerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13166092871374037640noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363936253583148153.post-71510694575231727212016-09-26T14:15:44.853-07:002016-09-26T14:15:44.853-07:00If the ABA doesn't revoke Indiana Tech's p...If the ABA doesn't revoke Indiana Tech's provisional accreditation for the 8% pass rate and admitting a significant number of students who can't take the bar due to C&F issues, then the ABA will never (ever ever) take any meaningful action whatsoever against any law school. If the ABA does not revoke Indiana Tech's accreditation, then it will be understood that law schools can engage in whatever recruitment practices they deem to be desirable in order to fill the seats. For example, a future class of 20 at a lower ranked law school may include three students who had above 150 LSATs and 17 convicted felons. Assuming the three students pass the bar the school can then report a 100% pass rate as the convicted felons will (likely) not be able to take the bar due to C&F issues.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363936253583148153.post-27756491455388980192016-09-26T12:34:18.853-07:002016-09-26T12:34:18.853-07:00Why all this Indiana hate? Indiana is a thriving c...Why all this Indiana hate? Indiana is a thriving center of commerce, industry and culture. Drove through there recently and purchased 87 unleaded fuel and an Indy 500 lottery ticket at a Shell station off of I-69. Won $3.00. Used my winnings to purchase a banana. (Indiana has a thriving international food market). Indiana has a growing economy as well. Folks are moving up to Saturns, Pontiacs, and Mercurys. Entrepenaurs and venture capitalists are opening Vape shops state wide. Leisure and casino gaming in Indiana is at all time high. If you want a State that makes it, make it Indiana.Captain Hruska Carswell, Continuance Kingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363936253583148153.post-25125264876387450692016-09-25T06:35:44.615-07:002016-09-25T06:35:44.615-07:0012:42 is spot on the money!
Mr. Ledger noted that...12:42 is spot on the money!<br /><br />Mr. Ledger noted that multiple students - out of only 20 or 21 graduates - were not allowed to take the bar exam due to C&F issues. That's how desperate these true cesspits are, people. Hell, they would admit kids with Down syndrome, if they managed to get a college degree of some sort.Nandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06423524039657355134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363936253583148153.post-6935985756308226012016-09-25T01:51:23.500-07:002016-09-25T01:51:23.500-07:00Thanks for pointing that out. It's interesting...Thanks for pointing that out. It's interesting that "multiple" graduates—in a pool of 21—were excluded because of character and fitness. Why didn't Indiana Tech's admissions office screen these people out? They've now spent three years of their lives and a huge amount of money (probably borrowed at high interest, with no chance of discharge in bankruptcy) only to find themselves ineligible for the bar. Maybe some of them got into trouble only after being admitted. Still, shouldn't Indiana Tech have advised them that they might not be eligible to become lawyers?<br /><br />I would count as failures only those who took the exam, not those who were disqualified. For all that we know, some of those who were disqualified would never have registered for the exam. <br /><br />Anyway, there are now three big questions:<br /><br />1) Why did so few of Indiana Tech's graduates pass the exam?<br /><br />2) Why were "multiple" graduates disqualified on the grounds of character and fitness?<br /><br />3) What is the ABA going to do?<br />Old Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02399124824529778710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363936253583148153.post-49120767704671386412016-09-24T13:07:12.338-07:002016-09-24T13:07:12.338-07:00Had, say, 11 of the 12 graduates passed the exam, ...Had, say, 11 of the 12 graduates passed the exam, Indiana Tech would have trumpeted that outcome as proof of its excellence. When only one of the 12 passes the exam, however, the sample is too small to mean anything, and the fact must be kept out of the media.Old Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02399124824529778710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363936253583148153.post-70717278541751336762016-09-24T13:04:30.338-07:002016-09-24T13:04:30.338-07:00Answer enough of the questions correctly. If you d...Answer enough of the questions correctly. If you do this, you'll pass.<br /><br />You're welcome.<br />Old Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02399124824529778710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363936253583148153.post-55104520732602723392016-09-24T12:42:40.180-07:002016-09-24T12:42:40.180-07:00It's sheer genius to argue that there wasn'...It's sheer genius to argue that there wasn't a representative sample (although there most certainly was since the majority of the class took the bar)without revealing the reason why more ITLS students didn't take the bar. Fortunately we know the reason. In an interview with Above the Law, the only student to pass the bar, said that: <br /><br />"The class was shocked that only one student passed the bar. However, we knew going into it that our percentage might be rough based on multiple students not being allowed to take the bar due to character and fitness issues and others choosing not to take it this time around." <br /><br />So, if you admit a significant percentage of students who can't take the bar due to character and fitness reasons, then the majority of your graduates fail, can you claim that the number taking the bar wasn't a representative sample? Or do the folks who aren't allowed to take the bar because of character and fitness issues count in that they actually failed the first part of the bar exam, which is qualifying to take the bar exam? I think we need LSTC's opinion on this representative sample issue. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363936253583148153.post-45232637226515848492016-09-24T11:28:22.455-07:002016-09-24T11:28:22.455-07:00“If they do what we tell them to do, they’ll pass,...“If they do what we tell them to do, they’ll pass,” Cercone said.<br /><br />Sounds pretty ominous...and using IT math, if 12 take the bar, one passes, and the other 11 who didn't pass disappear, IT would have a 100% pass rate. After all, only one actual applicant would still have an actual active application pending. So the calculations could get revised during the next few weeks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363936253583148153.post-1406560120638213412016-09-24T10:57:25.480-07:002016-09-24T10:57:25.480-07:00You're a lawyer, the fuck you know about pre-a...You're a lawyer, the fuck you know about pre-alegbra?<br /><br />People like Cercone only like the media when the media is fair and balanced, which means that the media simply serves as an uncritical mouthpiece to affirmatively aid the private aims of those within entrenched institutions. If no one were reporting that only 1 grad in 12 passed the bar, the public would remain ignorant and assume (correctly, obviously) that Indiana Tech is a first-rate law school.Law School Truth Centerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13166092871374037640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363936253583148153.post-22653565997544648952016-09-23T22:26:48.182-07:002016-09-23T22:26:48.182-07:00One out of twelve is not 8.333%; it's 8%, or e...One out of twelve is not 8.333%; it's 8%, or even 10%. The quotient can be given to only one significant digit.<br /><br />"Retired Indiana Chief Justice Randall Shepard ... pointed out the 12 graduates who took the bar was a very small sample"—no, it isn't; it's a very large sample, representing more than half of the pool of graduates.<br /><br />Crybaby Cercone accuses the media of trying to make his toilet law skule look bad. Actually, the people of Indiana Tech do that far better than outsiders ever could. And we're responsible for the stigma associated with failing the bar? Ridiculous. Let them take responsibility for their own failure. The only thing that brands them as idiots is the name Indiana Tech on their résumés.<br />Old Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02399124824529778710noreply@blogger.com